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Příspěvekod blanicka001 » 19 dub 2013, 09:46

Mám takový dotaz,objednala jsem si čtečku Prestigio PER5274B se 4GB pamětí,když jsem připojila na pc,píše mi to,že tato čtečka má velikost 1,82 GB.Tak jsem ji poslala zpátky s tím,že ji zkontrolují.Volal mi pán z toho obchodu,že to je normální,že to čtečky tak mají,podle mě je to blbost,můžete mi někdo poradit ?
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blanicka001 píše:Mám takový dotaz,objednala jsem si čtečku Prestigio PER5274B se 4GB pamětí,když jsem připojila na pc,píše mi to,že tato čtečka má velikost 1,82 GB.Tak jsem ji poslala zpátky s tím,že ji zkontrolují.Volal mi pán z toho obchodu,že to je normální,že to čtečky tak mají,podle mě je to blbost,můžete mi někdo poradit ?


Obávám se, že tohle zařízení je spíš tablet než čtečka, ale proti gustu...
Nemáš tam náhodou doinstalované nějaké aplikace, které ti tu paměť
zabírají ? Přece jenom je to Android.
Prestigio Nobile PER3464B, PocketBook Basic 611, PocketBook Touch 622
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Re: Velikost paměti

Příspěvekod tom » 19 dub 2013, 14:36

Jak jsem již tazatelce odpovídal na Heuréce, je to běžná věc. (Nevyjadřuju se tedy konkrétně k jejímu zařízení, protože to neprodáváme, ale obecně).
Jak uváděl kopavel, je tam od výroby něco, co z oněch deklarovaných 4GB ukusuje (systém, aplikace, apod.).
Buď zařízení vraťte do 14 dnů nebo si za pár korun kupte paměťovou kartu. Jiné řešení nevidím.

PS. rekordmanem asi bude čtečka Nook SimpleTouch, která má z deklarovaných 2GB (minimálně, už nevím přesně), pouze 300MB volných pro uživatele :-) (na to jsme upozorňovali v popisu zboží, asi jediní nebo jedni z mála)
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Re: Velikost paměti

Příspěvekod Registrovany » 19 dub 2013, 18:27

tom píše:PS. rekordmanem asi bude čtečka Nook SimpleTouch, která má z deklarovaných 2GB (minimálně, už nevím přesně), pouze 300MB volných pro uživatele :-) (na to jsme upozorňovali v popisu zboží, asi jediní nebo jedni z mála)
Tak tak ...
A má staršiu verziu Androidu - 2.1 kde sa programy nedajú inštalovať na kartu bez hackovania.
Takže človek tam dá tak jailbreak s nevyhnutnými súbormi, FBReader a Coolreader a pár drobností a v podstate skončil.
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Re: Velikost paměti

Příspěvekod blanicka001 » 22 dub 2013, 10:08

tom píše:Jak jsem již tazatelce odpovídal na Heuréce, je to běžná věc. (Nevyjadřuju se tedy konkrétně k jejímu zařízení, protože to neprodáváme, ale obecně).
Jak uváděl kopavel, je tam od výroby něco, co z oněch deklarovaných 4GB ukusuje (systém, aplikace, apod.).
Buď zařízení vraťte do 14 dnů nebo si za pár korun kupte paměťovou kartu. Jiné řešení nevidím.

PS. rekordmanem asi bude čtečka Nook SimpleTouch, která má z deklarovaných 2GB (minimálně, už nevím přesně), pouze 300MB volných pro uživatele :-) (na to jsme upozorňovali v popisu zboží, asi jediní nebo jedni z mála)



Ano,ale přece když to připojím na pc,tak to musí ukázat celkovou velikost 4gb,z toho co zabíraji aplikace,systém a kolik zbývá volného místa,no a právě mě to ukáže celková velikost 1,82gb,zabrané místo nějakých 280mb a volné 1,5gb.Když jsem to poslala zpátky,bylo mi řečeno,že je to správně :(
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Re: Velikost paměti

Příspěvekod Registrovany » 22 dub 2013, 10:42

blanicka001 píše:
tom píše:Ano,ale přece když to připojím na pc,tak to musí ukázat celkovou velikost 4gb,z toho co zabíraji aplikace,systém a kolik zbývá volného místa,no a právě mě to ukáže celková velikost 1,82gb,zabrané místo nějakých 280mb a volné 1,5gb.Když jsem to poslala zpátky,bylo mi řečeno,že je to správně :(
On má pamäť 4 GB (*). Táto flash pamäť je rozdelená na niekoľko partícií. Všetky partície sú viditeľné "zvnútra" - operačným systémom prístroja. Po pripojení na PC operačný systém prístroja umožní pripojenému PC prístup na časť pamäti ako na "umass" zariadenie, podobne ako to robia čítaťky pamäťových kariet, alebo USB pamäťové moduly.

Jednoduchý príklad:
Môžem napríklad zobrať 4GB USB "kľúč", alebo externý disk, alebo pamäťovú kartu v čítačke a tento "disk" rozdelím na dve partície 1,5 a 2,5GB. Jednu naformátujem ako FAT 32 a druhú na Linuxový filesystem Ext4 fs. Po pripojení na PC s Windowsom uvidíte iba jednu partíciu - 1,5GB, ktorá je samozrejme menšia ako daný disk, USB kľúč alebo karta.

Iný, lepší príklad:
Pripojím na PC moderný mobil v ktorom nie je zasunutá SD karta. Vidím len partíciu s fotkami, zvoneniami a podobnými somarinami, ale samotné aplikácie mobilu, ich dáta a podobne nevidím. Takisto Kindle alebo obyčajná čítačka PocketBook. Hackeri by mali výrazne uľahčenú prácu, keby po pripojení zariadenia mali prístup na všetky časti pamäte. Okrem toho interne používané časti pamäte sú obyčajne naformátované na Ext2fs alebo iný linuxový filesystém (**), ktorý by ste z PC na ktorom je Windows aj tak neprečítali.


(*) aby som bol celkom presný, on má niekoľko druhov pamäte. Operačnú pamäť (obyčajne nejakých 128MB), ktorá je podobná pamäti v PC - bežia v nej programy, a po vypnutí napájania sa zmaže. Potom má flash pamäť - ktorá slúži podobne ako na PC harddisk. Flash sa po vypnutí sa nezmaže, podobne ako USB kľúč, alebo SSD disk, alebo SD karta. Táto flash pamäť má obmedzený počet zápisov - ale to používateľov netrápi, pokiaľ sa nejedná o SSD disk.

(**) zariadenia od firmy Apple, alebo zariadenia s operačným systémom Windows CE, či Windows RT majú samozrejme iný, proprietálny filesystém.
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